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June 22, 2021
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Gordon Chang, expert on China and author of THE GREAT U.S. - CHINA TECH WAR, appeared on TUCKER CARLSON TONIGHT Monday to speak further on the likelihood that Dong Jingwei, the 57-year-old head of counterintelligence for the Chinese Ministry of State Security, had flown from Hong Kong to California on February 10 and defected to the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency, bringing with him a treasure trove of secret information.

Chang reiterated that he thinks the story is true.

China is denying that this happened, of course, and both BEIJING DAILY and the Hong Kong publication SOUTH CHINA MORNING POST have reported that Dong is in China doing whatever spooky things he normally does in the land of Chinese spooks, such as giving presentations at spy-catcher seminars.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3137958/top-chinese-spy-catcher-dong-jingwei-warns-agents-look-out

Chang does not believe their reports, as “China has every reason in the world to parade this guy in front of the cameras. That would squelch all sorts of rumors that are damaging to the regime. Now, China hasn’t done that, and that to me says that we have him, and that he, in fact, defected.”


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Incidentally, the SOUTH CHINA MORNING POST story makes reference to the “new anti-espionage regulation released in April” that applies to “not only Chinese government departments, but also social groups and businesses, supplemented with lists of Chinese entities that are assigned counter-espionage responsibilities.” This onerous new law has received very little press in the United States, so I'm taking the opportunity here to describe it. Under this law, once entities been designated by the government, they're required to watch for and prevent foreign espionage activity. They must “vet and train personnel, particularly ahead of foreign trips, after which they must be debriefed about any national security issues.” This law treats even universities and private businesses as if they’re “sensitive government agencies.”

https://abc17news.com/news/national-world/2021/04/26/china-targets-foreign-spies-and-hostile-forces-with-new-anti-espionage-rules/

More on this soon, but for now, back to the Chang interview. Tucker brought up the fact that the media are suddenly changing their tune on the origin of the virus, as if they knew...somehow...they could no longer get away with spouting their original fairy tale about bat soup. And Chang noted what seems to be a similar shift of opinion among officials of the Biden administration. This story out of Australia mentions that same shift as evidence that the defection probably happened.

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/chinese-spy-dong-jingwei-defects-to-the-west-while-offering-covid-secrets/news-story/d61277b586d043c6942bcce7b8b70d44

Chang said this could be due to any of a number of things, perhaps political pressure, but he thinks it’s because they now have evidence of a leak from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

Even more important is the information that the Chinese military was working with that lab as part of its bioweapons program.

As for China intentionally releasing the virus, Chang believes this scenario is possible but unlikely, given that they didn’t yet have a vaccine. He thinks it was a mistake, and that China “wasn’t able to contain it.” On the other hand, he noted that while foreigners typically believe the leak was accidental, Chinese nationals are more likely to think it was released on purpose. They know their government all too well.

We came across another report from that same Australian news outlet that provides a lot of context for this alleged defection. It says that no “convincing” photo of Dong has been released since last September, and the one that's purported to be him isn't persuading anyone. This story also includes some intriguing background on Dong’s daughter.

https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/who-is-dong-jingwei-why-us-china-wont-prove-they-have-spymaster/news-story/dc431d5bd5c547bae82c71e769cbc29f

All we’d seen in the press about Dong Yang was that she'd been studying at a California university, but now there’s more: She’s reportedly the ex-wife of Alibaba executive Jiang Fan. Alibaba, an international tech firm, has been in the crosshairs of the CCP in recent months. The company is being scrutinized for alleged “antitrust” and “corruption” issues. Jack Ma, Alibaba’s CEO, “disappeared” for several weeks earlier this year.

Since that time, Ma has reportedly “embraced supervision.” (Ah, there’s a euphemism for you.) And he rarely appears in public or makes public statements. The CCP appears to be cracking down in general on billionaires and academics. Interesting case in point: at the same time we were hearing denials of a nuclear accident of some kind at the China Taishan power plant, one of its leading nuclear scientists, Vice President of Harbin Engineering University Zhang Zhijian, reportedly “fell” from his building. No details were given.

Another billionaire, the chairman of a Chinese high-tech firm, got in hot water and was ordered to “keep a low profile” after publishing a historic poem as part of a media campaign. This poem was critical of an ancient emperor. In China, criticism of emperors is banned on social media, as it could be interpreted as criticism of their current leader-for-life, Xi Jinping.

(Wow, you thought censorship on American social media was bad! On the other hand, this story gives us a peek at just how bad it can get, and almost certainly WILL get if we don’t weaken the power of Big Tech.)

Another billionaire, this one in agriculture, lost control of his business after being arrested over a minor property dispute. He’s since been charged with “seeking quarrels and provoking trouble.”

So our speculation is that this kind of crackdown by the CCP might have had some impact on Dong’s daughter, considering her ties, and might even have something to do with the defection. Just a hypothesis. We’ll see if anyone else makes this connection.

I’ll leave you with the words being (falsely?) attributed to Dong from that seminar, as they relate to the way China is cracking down on business moguls and, ironically, might even describe what Dong himself has done by defecting: “In particular, some individuals are willing to be ‘internal traitors,’ secretly colluding with foreign spies and intelligence agencies and hostile forces to engage in anti-China activities. Individuals ‘act behind the scenes’ and send funds to hostile forces through illegal channels to support anti-China activities. These ‘traitors’ and behind-the-scenes gold masters’ have severely endangered the country’s political security. They will eventually be nailed to the pillar of shame in history.”

Translation: we need to keep this man, and his daughter, safe.

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  • Sharon Thompson

    06/22/2021 10:19 PM

    Mike, thank you so much for your email updates. You and The Epoch Times are my most trusted news sources. I know that you do your homework, so we’re getting the truth!!

  • Gregg G Brown

    06/22/2021 10:05 PM

    I was amazed when Tucker and Chang took the immediate inference that the defector's smuggled out evidence was the source of Biden's change on the Wuhan Lab virus leak theory. It seemed so cynical! Then again, I haven't been disappointed in taking a cynical view of democrats since 9/11....

  • Robert Burton

    06/22/2021 10:01 PM

    Mike, Sports problems? No big Deal. Let's solve the problem by cancelling "Men's and Women's sports" and switch to "xx and xy chromosomal sports"... Bob

  • Robin Gonsalves

    06/22/2021 05:48 PM

    If Xbiden and his corrupt administration...I meant scandal free administration are in bed with the Chinese with the likes of Feinstein, Sawell, don't know if I spelt the traitors name right but you know the guy sleeping with the Chinese spy Meluv yu Longtime! Won't china pressure biden into giving him up by using crack head hunter and the big guys pay check.
    China biden will use Obama's alphabet soup agency's to find a reason to hand him over to china in the wee hours of the night on some undisclosed tarmac in exchange for his pallet of money.
    Dang I should write for the Babylon bee! Lol

  • Joe Lyddon

    06/22/2021 05:31 PM

    We should get ready to strike China BEFORE they strike us.

  • Kathy Davis

    06/22/2021 05:27 PM

    Thank you Gov. Huckabee for the daily doses of reason and common sense. Interestingly here in SE NC, developers are buying up huge tracts of “country” to develop into 600+ family mobile home parks. Wonder where all these families are coming from? (Eye roll)

    We have had several excellent schools ruined by mobile park communities of migrants. Once high performing schools are now failing and the communities are overrun by crime from the drug dealing in the parks.

    I am a teacher. Our schools are so underfunded already. We can not handle this surge of students.

    We DID NOT vote for this. Why on Earth would anyone who runs for office and proclaims to love this country intentionally destroy it? I understand it’s about power. But I just can’t understand hating the greatest nation in the world this much.

    Things are spiraling out of control faster than even I believed they would. How do you fight back? The lies and propaganda are strong with these evil ones. Satan stole the keys to the White House, and he isn’t hiding anymore.

  • Rev. Leonard Miller

    06/22/2021 05:21 PM

    Dear Sir, I was blessed to get to meet you in Joplin out on North Main Street Road.

    My question is when will we get an actual yes or no that this man is in the United States and what he is saying can be verified.
    Because so far we have nothing solidified.
    And this will be a real game-changer for the GOP and for America.
    If and when we can get this information verified 100%?

  • Elaine M Liming

    06/22/2021 04:33 PM

    When I was in High School I read a book "Peace through Strength" Bernard Baruch ( spelling might be off) He was a statesman.
    This story on the man Dong Jingwei defection is a sign we must not let our guard down. Communism wants world control. We must be strong and not weak. We need a person like Trump in office. In the book I read, America must remain a military power and a peace maker. We need leaders of Character who put the American people first.
    I believe God is in control. This defection when it gets out to everyone, is something that could bring us together. You stated he knew what department in our government to turn to---wow-- that in itself with the right person in power, the SWAMPS could all be cleaned.
    Thanks for sharing all this with us .Let us keep praying.

  • Bill Hodges

    06/22/2021 04:01 PM

    IF this were a deliberate biological attack on the United States in order to defeat President Trump, how would it have unfolded differently?
    Claimed it was 'natural', plausible deniability, etc. BUT............
    All domestic flights from Wuhan to other Chinese cities stopped. International flights Frum Wuhan to US and elsewhere continued. Seems they got the result they wanted.

    In the words of Melvin Udall (Jack Nicholoson) in "As Good As It Gets"....."sell crazy elsewhere, we're all stocked up here!"

  • Dennis & Virginia Ragain

    06/22/2021 03:20 PM

    Governor, we have been listening and following the "rumors" of this defection for some time now. Our fear is that because of very powerful people and organizations (including our own intelligence agencies) who could be damaged (and possibly arrested and prosecuted) that the real truth will never be known. We have way too many corrupt politicians, bureaucrats, corporations & those in academia who will use all their power to make this go away. I am glad that Dong Jingwei defected to the U.S. DIA as this tells us that Mr. Jingwei felt that was the only "safe" organization that he could turn to. We pray that strong, moral people such as yourself will not allow this to be "swept under the Proverbial rug". We in the general public watch in dismay at the blatant demonstration of the disintegration of our legal system to benefit the rich, powerful and criminal actors in our society. It is time for a complete reset.